I met Shelley Winters at Bob and Jackie Hilliard's home in Hollywood in the seventies. That is also where I met Maria d'Aragon who played Greedo in Star Wars. Maria met Shelley there at the same time and became good friends with her. There was a group of us who met at Schwab's Drugstore on Sunset Blvd. for coffee in the mornings. Richard Tate,who was close friends with Shelley would often come in with Shelley for breakfast. We had many good times together.

One time, Shelley invited Maria and I to accompany her to the Johnny Carson Show. She asked Maria to bring her cat along. When Shelley appeared on the show she was holding the cat and set the topic of the conversation about, dressing animals.

At one point in the show, the cat crawled out of her arms, over Ed Mcmann and down onto the floor under Ed's chair. Shelley started making a fuss about her missing Kitty, so I crawled under the seats and grabbed the cat. I walked around the set and up to the center camera and kneeled there with the cat in my arms. When Shelley started fussing again, I held up the cat for her to see and she calmed down. Great actress.

One time, Richard Tate was mugged in his apartment on Havenhurst. He was hospitalized and almost in a comma. We visited him frequently in the hospital. The first time we were there, Shelley, started fussing with Richard about something that Richard couldn't assimalate in his condition. He was in a daze and could barely talk. I suggested Shelley wait until he was in better condition. She was a good lady and agreed.

Those were interesting and fun times.